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Why I’m not quitting Spotify because its owner has hugely invested in weaponry

06 Wednesday Aug 2025

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I’m a daily user of Spotify. I have it on daily in the car, the house and at my desk. My tastes are very eclectic with extensive playlists across almost every genre of music with the exceptions of metal and all its variants, rap/hip hop, “musicals” and light orchestral.  It has hugely expanded my discovery and appreciation of unimagined music.

The other day a close friend asked me whether I knew that Spotify’s owner Daniel Ek, had recently invested €600 million ($AUD1.074 billion) in military armaments in Hesling, a German based company which he chairs. I didn’t, but was concerned enough to find out more.

My friend sent a link to the best painless ways to move to other music streaming platforms and said he was planning to move in protest.

A Guardian report listed all of three bands, one Australian and two from the US, who were leading a so-called “exodus” from Spotiify. One stated “We just removed our music from the platform. Can we put pressure on these Dr. Evil tech bros to do better?” Another band  was taking all its music off “garbage hole violent armageddon portal Spotify”.

Australian musician David Bridie also bought into all this with this Guardian article. He’s removed his work from Spotify, explaining  “In recent years, we’ve witnessed the horror of AI drone wars in Ukraine and Gaza – children killed and hospitals destroyed with the press of the space bar. Ek is investing in technology that can cause suffering and death. Spotify used to seem like a necessary evil. By association, it now just seems evil.”

So what does Hesling’s website (Protecting our democracies) tell us?  That it’s a military defence company providing “mass and autonomous capabilities to democracies so they can deter and protect”.

Among its products are:

  • An Electronic Warfare (EW) system using AI to classify radio signals
  • Underwater drone swarms for surveillance and signal detection
  • Software for command centers
  • Strike drones using AI for defeating jamming/spoofing

In February, the company announced it was producing 6,000 strike drones for use by Ukraine against Russian attacks, supplementing an early 4,000 already produced. Its website talks about ethical practices in supplying its products to nations.

Since Russia began pounding Ukraine, killing 46,000 civilians and 120,000 troops plus 180,000 injuries with 7 million having fled the country, the western world has held its breath hoping that NATO members and the US would adequately fund Ukrainian resistance. Nations bordering Russia are all vitally interested in anything that might give Russia pause to invade them.

So Spotify/Daniel Ek/Hesling are not so much as trying to cause suffering and death (except to Russian invading troops), but trying to prevent it as much as possible by shooting down incoming missiles, destroying Russian tanks and troop convoys.

Is all warfare weaponry inherently unethical?

Ethical investment funds typically refuse to invest in “fossil fuels, weapons, gambling, tobacco and other unethical industries”. Weapons are an interesting and challenging inclusion. Costa Rica, Iceland, Mauritius, Panama, and Vanuatu have no military forces. Other minnow nations, like Andorra, Kiribati, Liechtenstein, and the Marshall Islands, rely on other nations or agreements for their defence. But all large nations have military investments. So are they all unethical in investing in military defence?

Advanced technology useful in preventing enemy capability to wreak havoc on nations is morally neutral until we start dividing nations possessing this technology into bad and good actors. If Hesling is indeed only selling its drone and other AI driven defensive technology to nations fearful of Russian or other bad actor aggression, what’s not to like?

As one Reddit contributor put it succinctly “So I should boycott Spotify because their CEO is investing into one of the companies that is trying to beat the Russians in the drone race, support Ukraine, and protect Europe and western democracies and values against tyranny?

I’ll pass on that, thanks.

Boycott Spotify for ripping off musicians?

Then there’s the argument that Spotify is killing the music industry. I’ve friends who are musicians who are scathing about the derisory returns Spotify pays them per play. At the moment it is 0.00318 cents. They argue passionately that these music platforms are all parasitical, making huge profits from the creative talents of musicians while giving little back. Streaming has dramatically reduced musicians’ earnings from LP and CD sales, leaving live performance as the main income source. (I sometimes still buy CDs at gigs, but have long sold about 90% of the large number of CDs and LPs I owned, having rarely played them across many years).

PlatformPay per Stream
Pandora$0.00133
Spotify$0.00318
Amazon Music$0.00402
Deezer$0.0011
YouTube Music$0.002
Apple Music$0.008
Tidal$0.01284

Source

But this simple comparison of differences between platforms is confounded by the different subscriber and audience sizes of these platforms. In April 2025 Spotify had 276 million paying subscribers in their total user base of 696 million monthly active users. Spotify’s royalties are based on total plays, not just those by paying subscribers. In June 2023 Apple Music had over 93 million subscribers, an increase from its 88 million subscribers in 2022. I’ve not found later data.

So a smaller per stream payment on a platform with more users could earn more than a larger payment on a rival platform with far fewer users.

For 10,000 plays, Spotify will pay an artist all of $31.80. David Bridie’s most listened-to track on Spotify is his quite wonderful  I’ve got a plan (from his 1994 My Friend the Chocolate Cake collaboration). As of today it’s had  517,792 plays. That’s royalties of $1,647.With 6 in the band, that’s $275 each. 

I’m not an Apple music subscriber so don’t know how many plays that track has had over there. But as has been emphatically argued many times before, streaming  royalties make only a tiny minority of performers rich, regardless of the platform. And that has always been the case: many musicians don’t make a living, while relatively few make fortunes.

This page on Spotify reports on royalties paid since 2017. $10 billion was paid  out in 2024 Under the payouts you can look at growth in nine levels of royalty earnings from $5000 and over (110,500) to $10 million and over (70 acts).

“It’s got a lot of community with a capital C”: the Stanmore Music Festival, 2024

19 Tuesday Nov 2024

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This wonderful photo from 2022 by Neil Bennett of two Batacuda Funk dancers ordering drinks in the Salisbury hotel while a disbelieving regular from the front bar adjusts his glasses to make sure he wasn’t dreaming

On Saturday from noon, the 4th Stanmore Music Festival rang out in the streets, schools, the library park and the Salisbury pub until 10pm. This year a record 77 acts involving more than 1000 participants took part. Choirs swelled that number. Some 165 acts had applied for the 35 minute performance spots available on 11 stages. Like the three other previous festivals, over 40 volunteers worked across the day and earlier, setting up tents, chairs, banners and stage managing, after earlier programming the event, designing the website and a multitude of other tasks.

Police estimated the 2019 crowd across the day at 5000. This year’s looked comparable.

I and photographer neighbour Tony Egan directed the first two festivals in 2019 and 2022. Covid caused a two year pause in 2020-2021,with the third held in November 2023, directed by a volunteer stalwart Jan McClelland, who also steered this year’s event.

The Stanmore Music Festival was modelled on the French Fête de la Musique, held on the June 21 summer solstice across France for 42 years since 1982.  Today the festival is held in 700 cites in 120 countries. We initially dubbed it the St. Anmoré (pronounced St. Ann-more-ray) music festival as an affectionate nod to its French inspiration.

We’d lived in Lyon in 2006 and one evening we stepped out into our street leading down to Lyon’s old town and unknowingly walked into the Fête in full swing. We’d not even heard of it, but it was unforgettable. Just quite stunning. I remember seeing Django Reinhardt trios, Malian kora players, jazz bands, string quartets, rappers … every kind of music. It was fantastically festive, communal and participatory. Families, friends and workmates circled performers, along with thousands of local residents till late into the evening.

Our local friends told us that while big name acts occasionally appeared on a main stage – always free of charge —  the overwhelming  emphasis was on musical performances by local residents: people who did not make a living from their music, but who just loved performing. One said to me “You’d be amazed about the extraordinary talent you find living behind many ordinary front doors – former professional musicians, immigrants bringing rich cultural musical traditions from their home country, young prodigies, choir members, instrumentalists whose music has been mostly private but who are very impressive and bathroom baritones and sopranos.”

Years later back in Sydney, I sensed our suburb suffered from a rather anodyne reputation compared to our surrounds. Wedged between Sydney’s Portuguese and Italian quarters (Petersham and Leichhardt) and adjacent to the inner west’s hipster trifecta of Newtown, Enmore and Marrickville, poor old Stanmore needed something to loosen it up a bit.

I approached nearby neighbour, conductor and musical educator Richard Gill about an approach to the local Inner West council for support. Richard and his family had lived in Dijon and needed no persuading it was a good idea to try and have a French-style festival. After some bureaucratic stonewalling by the old Marrickville Council, Inner West mayor Darcy Byrne backed the concept.  Sadly Richard died before he could see the Festival launch. It’s now been anointed as an annual festival in the Inner West’s cultural calendar.

A truly community festival

Most music festivals are commercially driven with professional acts attracting crowds. Performance fees are paid via ticketing, merchandising and catering. Pubs and other music venues also often have ticketed entry to pay musicians. The next step down are suburban non-ticketed music events where outside food and drink vendors pay big money for catering rights to local governments and deep-pocketed corporations pay sponsorships in return for publicity and promotional opportunities. A limited number of performers are generally paid.

Stanmore is different. It is free to all and no performers are paid, in keeping with the communal philosophy of the event. We always explain the communal objectives to applicant performers. It was a vision that drove Richard Gill, to whom we dedicated the Festival. Richard worked for decades with the cream of Australian classical and choral musicians. But it was his work with inspiring children and their musical educators from which he never strayed. One of our selection criteria is whether a performer or group had any connection with Richard. A surprising number do.

At the second festival, we received a curt “no thanks” when we approached a well-known inner west band. We were told that no other occupation group is ever expected to provide their services free and that our festival risked publicising amateur acts who were prepared to play for nothing. Pubs and cafes might decide this was a better deal for them than paying full professional fees to performers. So they declined, clearly letting us know they disapproved of the whole thing.

We replied that we fully agreed that professional musicians needed to be paid particularly when people were profiting from the crowd they pulled, but were they seriously arguing that eight choirs, each with 15-50 members should only be able to perform in public for 25 minutes if each and every member was paid full professional fees? Or that a 14 year old guitarist, a local folkloric dance group, a dad-band playing rock covers, a group of young high school jazz students or an accordionist playing Italian folk tunes should all stay out of public performance until they decided to go professional?

Dog Trumpet, legends in the Inner West, played for free at the pub at the first festival. When we sent a questionnaire to all performers asking for 3 good points and 3 “need to fix” suggestions, their Peter O’Doherty wrote back that they had enjoyed the vibe so much, they would be happy to even play in the pub toilet the next year.

The Stanmore festival zone is not fenced off, outside food carts are banned and moved on by the Inner West Council if they turn up (as are those trying to selling any merchandise or services). Local cafes and delicatessens and school parents’ BBQs and food stalls instead reap all the catering income. Several of these local businesses donate raffle prizes at two fund raisers. Including the 18 out of maximum 19 hatted SixPenny restaurant.

My highlights

This year I did a 3 hour stage managing shift in the pub, time-keeping and introducing four bands. One, the House of Monkeys, played as school kids at the first festival and at all three since. I’ve watched them change lineups and grow in both confidence and chutzpah. They played some standard covers well like Beds are burning and Nutbush, but just blitzed the Rolling Stones’ peerless Can you hear me knockin’ with its unmistakable open tuned G power riff that has had millions of people rise to their feet on hearing it since it was released in 1971 on Sticky Fingers.    Last time I saw them play, their savant guitarist Jack Covell, was too young to order a beer.  Here he is at 16. Now here he was leading them through this demanding piece, joined beautifully by a young sax player for the long solo.

Another, Amy and the Grey Zone had a singer with a voice you’d cross the country to hear. Her whole family watched on proudly while the room swayed to their sound.

A third, Redundant Technology came off stage after a blistering set. I commented on how well the guitar and bass worked together “we should do .. . we’ve been playing together since the 80s!” said  Simon Ward, the guitarist. A little community within our community that day.

I saw the sublime Inner West Voices open with Judy Collins’ Both Sides Now, local veteran icon George Washingmachine, and a performance from the local Flamenco School.

At 4.20pm, one of our volunteers overheard  someone say “It’s got a lot of community with a capital C”.  A stranger told me in the park today that he could never imagine Stanmore without the festival. It’s here for keeps. 

Only 12 months till the 2025 return.

Thanks especially to Jan McClelland,  Phil Goldstein, Rebecca-Camille Niumeitolum, Ray Schembri, Tony Egan and Matt Crane and all the other volunteers.

My grand daughter Florence sings at the inaugural festival, 2019. Photo credit: Tony Egan

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